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#Encrochat

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@adisonverlice it's not just re: #Governments (tho #Project2025 explicitly endorses unsactioned comms to twart attempts at #FIOA or any #accountability for that matter), but individuals or any organization:

And if #EncroChat got pwned, who's gonna guarantee @signalapp won't if it's actually secure or isn't an #InsideJob like #ANØM.

After all, both #Signal's Organization and key people like @Mer__edith are known to the authorities by more than just their legal name.

  • What's gonna prevent #Trump from doing a "bag&drag" on her or getting his goons to put a gun on,the developers' heads and force them to,#d0x all users and #backdoor everything (if they didn't already got forced to have some "#LafwulInterception" gear in a closet like #Room641A...

After all, Signal can't pull the 5th and refuse to comply!

Twitterthaddeus e. grugq on Twitter“I’m gonna tell you a secret about “logless VPNs” — they don’t exist. Noone is going to risk jail for your $5/mo https://t.co/Q2aOQJkG4g”
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@kkarhan

#Signal was as secure as claimed, it would've been shut down like #EncroChat, #SkyECC & others...

Just stop the BS. EncroChat was specifically built and marketed for criminals. It wasn't shut down by law enforcement, it was hacked by the French police, after which they decided to shut the service down themselves.

Signal is open source (and the issue regarding reproducible builds is known, but it doesn't impact the security of the app. It is caused by a navigation library that causes some race condition during the build process, the result of which is dependent on CPU speed. They are aware of the issue, and are working to fix it. It is tracked here: github.com/signalapp/Signal-An). If you don't trust the official build, you can compile it yourself. There are also forks like Signal-FOSS or @mollyim available if you prefer that.

The server is also open source (of course you can't verify if they are actually running that code, but that's gonna be the case for every application with a client/server architecture. Your point regarding Signal being "proprietary SaaS" is, again, total BS.

I have searched open and closed issues for duplicates I am submitting a bug report for existing functionality that does not work as intended I have read https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/...
GitHubReproducible Builds are broken · Issue #13565 · signalapp/Signal-AndroidBy obfusk
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@signalapp It's not #disinfo when one points out that you demand #PII aka. #PhoneNumbers from Users and that is literally a architectural vulnerability, alongside your #proprietary & #Centralized #Infrastructure.

Not to mention the lack of @torproject / #Tor support with an #OnionService or the willingness to fulfill #cyberfacist "Embargoes" or shilling a #Shitcoin #Scam named #MobileCoin!

  • #KYC is the illicit activity!!!

And don't get me started on the #cyberfacism that is #CloudAct.

  • If you were secure, criminals would've used your platform so hard, it would've been shutdown like #EncroChat and #SkyECC.

I may nit have allvthe.evidence yet, but #Signal stenches like #ANØM: #Honeypot-esque!

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@alwayscurious @froge @fj #CloudAct alone not, but it's just the tip of the iceberg.

  • I bet you that @signalapp & @Mer__edith will comply with even the most illegal and cyberfacist orders when facing "rubberhose cryptoanalysis", which is a valid and likely risk factor in the #USA...

Again: The only #security is #decentralization!

  • This is why @torproject is still up and running: It cannot be shutdown even when all maintainers are being held at gunpoint.

#Signal is as vulnerable as #EncroChat if it's not a #Honeypot like #ANØM!

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@froge @fj I'm not replacing @signalapp with "random tools" but good options.

Like @delta & @thunderbird as well as @monocles / #monoclesChat & @gajim which work flawlessly over @torproject / #Tor using @tails / @tails_live / #Tails and @guardianproject / #Orbot respectably.

Considering the costs of even acquiring and upkeeping an #anonymous #SIM, I'd rather pay €2 p.m. for #XMPP+#OMEMO and #PGP/MIME-supported #eMail with the option of self-custody than $2,50+ p.m. just to keep a phone number.

Or is anyone here expecting @Mer__edith to risk jail for life amd not comply with #CloudAct?

It stenches like #ANØM, because NOTHING IS FOR FREE and running a #VCmoneyBurningParty is expensive...

Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)@osman@hachyderm.io If your #OpSec, #InfoSec, #ComSec and/or #ITsec relies on @signalapp@mastodon.world and/or @Mer__edith@mastodon.world [risking jail *or worse*](https://web.archive.org/web/20210908180219/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968), you fucked up! - If #Signal was secure, it would've been shutdown like #EncroChat & #SkyECC. Seriously, to me #Signal stenches #Honeypot like #ANØM & #CryptoAG. - All Signal fans do is #FUD #PGP/MIME and#XMPP+#OMEMO which are truly #decentralized and allow real #SelfHosting as well as #SelfCustody for complete control of all the data and keys... That's why I get people setup with it!

@osman If your #OpSec, #InfoSec, #ComSec and/or #ITsec relies on @signalapp and/or @Mer__edith risking jail or worse, you fucked up!

Seriously, to me #Signal stenches #Honeypot like #ANØM & #CryptoAG.

That's why I get people setup with it!

Twitterthaddeus e. grugq on Twitter“I’m gonna tell you a secret about “logless VPNs” — they don’t exist. Noone is going to risk jail for your $5/mo https://t.co/Q2aOQJkG4g”
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@Catwoman69y2k @dragonfriend most importantly:

Only with #SelfCustody of all the keys, #SelfHosting of the entire infrastructure and everything being #OpenSource, one can assure (and [let it be] audit[ed] independently) that the #advertised #promises are in fact true.

Cuz not expecting @Mer__edith to break is the same level of "#TrustMeBro!" assurances as #ANØM, #EncroChat, #SkyECC, #WhatsApp etc. do in their #advetising #lies!

  • Remember: Corporations/Foundations/non-profits/... don't have a right to be silent , only individuals, and even then there are certain juristictions that have #KeyEscrow laws (i.e. #France, #Russia, #KSA, #China, #India, #UK , ...) in the books!
Twitterthaddeus e. grugq on Twitter“I’m gonna tell you a secret about “logless VPNs” — they don’t exist. Noone is going to risk jail for your $5/mo https://t.co/Q2aOQJkG4g”

@erebion @inaruck genau das ist der Falsche Ansatz, da Threat Models sich ständig verschieben und nicht ausgegangen werden kann, dass es dabei bleibt.

Keine*r deloyed drölfzig Messenger oder migriert bedarfsweise User*innen umher.

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@dalias @lauren
@pixelschubsi

Also the blatant dismissal of absolitely basic #OpSec & #ComSec is just flabberghasting.

Only #decentralized, #OpenSource & #OpenStandards can actuall survive long-term and remain #secure.

It's the same reasons we use #PGPG/MIME & #SSH and not #X400 & #X25!

IOW: Think "How can you weaponize Signal?" and see what you csn do just holding key people in contempt...

The less #info a provider has, the less they can be forced to snitch upon customers.

"#JustUseSgnal!" is a form of dangerous "#TechPopulism" aimed at bamboozling #TechIlliterates who don't know better, abusing information asymetry to pull rank instead of investing the time and effort to *explain "how" and "why" this is indeed a good or bad idea.

The only ones that have a chance to beat that are @delta / #deltaChat but that's just #PGP/MIME #eMail in a nice UI...

  • You may now laugh at me and think my "#TinfoilHat sits too tight" but I'm shure sooner or later I'll be evidenced as correct...
Hachyderm.ioCassandrich (@dalias@hachyderm.io)@kkarhan@infosec.space @signalapp@mastodon.world @monocles@monocles.social @lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org Very few systems promoted as Signal alternatives match the cryptographic privacy properties (see: ratcheting, etc.) of Signal. The claims about "located in the USA" and "Cloud Act" are all nonsense because the only threat to Signal users from this is availability (seizure and shutdown of the server infrastructure), not undetected breakage of privacy properties. There are presently no systems with superior privacy properties to Signal *and* level of functionality on par with what general public expects. There are a lot (like the XMPP stuff, *sigh*, and Matrix) that are worse in both regards. If you're happy with reduced functionality, Cwtch (and possibly some other similar Tor-based systems) or VeilidChat are stronger, but it's gonna be a while before you convince normies to use them, and in the mean time they're still going to be on insecure shit like WhatsApp, FB Messenger, Telegram, etc...
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@Zoll wisst ihr was deutlich effektiver wäre?

Wenn das Zeug #legal kontrolliert abgegeben würde (bspw. #Apotheke) denn dann würden die Leute sich nicht Dreck reinkloppen sondern sauberen Stoff haben und #OrganisierteKriminalität ginge leer aus.

Cc: @Bundesregierung @bmg@social.bund.de

Apropos "Hinweise aus dem Ausland", wird interessant wie das so #rechtstaatlich aussieht...

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@compl4xx @Layer8 @nick @kuketzblog @marcel @mspro

  • EXAKT DAS!

Meine Rede...

Oder um es einfach zu erklären: Warum gibt es #HTTP(S) & #HTML sowie #eMail ( #IMAP & #SMTP) bis heute und keiner nutzt mehr #AOL, #MSN, #ICQ?

Wenn @signalapp / #Signal wegen #CloudAct geflipped wird wie #EncroChat, #ANØM & #SkyECC dann stehen Leute alternativlos in der shice ubd die ganzen "Sicherheitsversprechen" lösen sich in "#TrustMeBro!" und #Lügen auf.

Ich nutze meinen XMPP-Account seit Ewigkeiten und habe drölfzig Clients durch. Aber Kontakte erreichen mich darüber Problemlos!

Infosec.SpaceKevin Karhan :verified: (@kkarhan@infosec.space)@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de naja, @signalapp@mastodon.world fällt auch unter #CloudAct ubd #Threema ist noch #proprietärer als #Signal. - Gibt mit #XMPP+#OMEMO eine wirklich #sichere & #dezentrale Alternative die keine #PII wie #Telefonnummern oder #Google-Dienste braucht! Ach ja, @monocles@monocles.social / #moniclesChat haben [grade](https://monocles.social/@monocles/113925173206088469) ne #Promo zum #GlobalSwitchDay und bieten deren #App kostenlos an. - Und sonst gibt's auch noch @delta@chaos.social / #deltaChat welche #PGO/MIME & #eMail als Basis nutzen! Für [beide gibt's](https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/xmpp.servers.list.tsv) [kostenlose Anbieter](https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/email.servers.list.tsv) und #SelfHosting ist genauso machbar wie deren *echte #E2EE* mit #SelfCustody!