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Tombe la pluie - Theespookje

"The ai version looks better" or any similar statement tells me you have no sense of what makes us human, joy, whimsy, or what makes art art and makes us create things. And I disagree it is not the same statement as the one once made for photography.

And a thing we socially fail to comprehend is that as much as I disagree with Benjamin thesis in Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction, he's right, it still is more striking to see a museum painting irl than on a photograph, like meeting a friend. Because it was intended this way. That's how it was intended to be looked, and produced. That's why I disagree on the aura loss, or lack of aura: different methods, mediums, different uses

Just like digital art is not easier than traditional art (I find it the other way round for instance). Would you say writing a book on word and not by hand is cheating? Bfr. If technical, frame by frame, apparent complexity was the only goal of art, we would have stopped long ago... Being realistic stopped being the goal long ago, if it were ever the sole goal (spoiler alert: no)

If you look at that fucking generic and bland style and tell me it's better, I won't trust you. If I don't like a style or a piece of art, at least I know it's the contribution of one human giving us his perception of beauty and representation of the world. If it's ai, it doesn't even have that aspect. What's left of "art" there?

It's a picture, yes. It's not art. It is a different thing, it serves different purposes. Just like we take photographs for different reasons. Either that was made by a teenager, or by someone that had zero art education and it's worrying.

Would you do that meme with an artistic semi| abstract photo of a woman vs one of a full portrait from your Lidl catalogue because there's more details, colours?
There has been a huge resurgence of people deeming art>beauty, accuracy as a criteria, common since modern art appeared on the art scene, but is worrying as an absolute and a society level of art, media and global literacy.

The surge of ai and its ignorance of taste, making things better by adding more, and so on, is correlating with the average lack of consideration for , and and global ; highlighting global reluctance to partake into any activity requiring to think by oneself.

Just see how many people stop at the ai overlook and deem it the absolute truth - CONCERNING, as one would say! But it is. I swear it's not looking too much into it that to say that people are unwilling to do their actual own thinking and not look above technical success - To see that it is not always the goal, and that precise thing, with our own styles and perceptions, sometimes flawed, is what makes us human and creation/reading/writing interesting.

It is a tool that produces results and has good/useful uses. It should improve our lives, not make us dumber, lazier and be the sole source of knowledge/"creation"
If the trend we see currently on social media, search engines, writing... Is our future, then it is very bleak.

Are people forgetting the very core of what makes our ?

I'm probably overreading/looking too much into this, but it's not just about this picture, but the issue as a whole.

Has populism gone that far to make us forget our will to build, create, tell, move, if it can't be marketed? It also doesn't sit right with me how much it fits the "degenerated art" ambiance that's been slowly getting in the air, alongside of .
As long as people will be allowed to be brainwashed people & ai bots to influence elections for a facist entity, nothing is to be taken lightly.

MUM TOLD ME IT WOULD BE GREAT ON MY BLOG

@pitrouillesque

Is Trump just an AI-generated idoru?

Is Canada actually a place or merely a simulacrum of a place?

Nothing is real anymore.

@corruptian the suffering Trump is generating is very real, sadly

@pitrouillesque

Depends -- he's fixed a lot of stuff that has been broken for sixty years.

He has not banned abortion.

Everything else, I don't care; the handouts people are rarely sane and never important.

@corruptian depends, I've parents that have got their trans kids in the psychward because their psychiatrist was worried they might attempt, the whole transphobia launched by Trump put a huge tool on the youth, they're teenagers gaining political conscience in a climate where they're called crazy or perverts in the rural south, wards are full of them since January and there was a mass of suicide. Also made cuts on food banks for the poor, that isn't necessary, targeting medicaid, universities..

@corruptian I don't think that it's lgbt issues only, since they're going for others too. I'm just concern that's the climate some people have to live in, receiving papers that don't match their actual genitals (thus making travel abroad hard), tourists getting detained by ice, end of due process, ending visas for protests, arresting researchers at the border for one post, all of this is unessessary cruel, and draining for everyone with the rising cost of life.

@corruptian that's more what I'm thinking. Ending the suicide Hotline, too. Their way of targeting individuals on social media doesn't sit right with me. I do believe there's a God, but I do believe that it's up to Him to judge people, not up to us to decide. I know the US opposed it but I also believe we should help the poor and not make it harder to feed them on purpose, nor end those programs in schools, children can't learn on an empty belly. All of this is real.

@corruptian that's where we differ - I think handouts to people are sane and important. If a society allows one to get rich, then it's only fair to contribute so the system that allowed one to get more money than they can spend and is producing more food than can be sold allows it's poorer members to have a safety net. I don't find it sane to leave to die people that worked all their lives to make society work or are veterans to struggle all alone, nor hungry, when we waste so much.

@corruptian but I noticed it's more natural for Europeans because our society are built differently to the core. America was built on individual success, money defined your worth and your work. Work got you money. Getting rich and others being famished is how it always was. Europe is different in the way it historically worked on that, so it's often on what we clash mentality wise. You probably won't agree on the rest, but that's something I noticed. Us friends told me they felt it too.

@pitrouillesque

"America was built on individual success, money defined your worth and your work."

I must disagree here however. America was very much built on group efforts, but to make those work, we had to stop subsidizing the unproductive and useless.

Europe has been wealthier for longer so tends toward socialism, which makes it weaker.

@corruptian I would tend to agree on what you say. I don't live in the US and while I am aware of it's history I might still lack nuance on the subject.
However, I don't think Europe's "socialism" makes it weaker. I would say that it's leader lacked a broader vision and that it's still capitalism with a hint of socialism. While it's not necessarily bad, it lead to selling national asset and emptying national services that worked well making them public and privatised without the ressources

@pitrouillesque

"I think handouts to people are sane and important."

Well, let's look at this, since it is the point of discussion.

I think handouts make societies corrupt and fail to solve problems.

@corruptian I will say, it depends on how well you manage them, manage corruption, what you prioritise. Also I need to be sure if handouts include welfare or not because I know it's not what it means but I'm not native English, a lot of people misuse it and it might mean something I don't understand fully, which would make the whole discussion useless.

@corruptian (I know it might sound tedious, but sometimes I've been arguing with my mum over a word, only to discover she didn't have the same definition as I did and had the wrong one, and that we agreed but she was too mad to see it. Happened online too, so now I'm checking and making sure what we're talking about!)

@Amsterdam_XXX exactly the point I'm making! Couldn't agree more

@pitrouillesque I think it's hilarious* how every time some dude shows off AI art like it's a cultural revelation, it's this exact same pseudo-realistic over-saturated cute anime girl vibe. EVERY TIME.

*it's depressing, actually, but I have to tell myself it's funny so I don't spend the rest of my life screaming into a pillow

@invicticide don't worry, I get what you mean. They have a chronic issue with representation of non anime women that don't make their joystick hard, like it mattered more than the rest. We're just that to them.

@pitrouillesque

At this point, I want artificial intelligence to do something intelligent and vanish to where it belongs, namely automation.

@corruptian yup. I want it to make our lives easier and softwares more performant. Not whatever this is.
For instance, the amelioration of existing features in editing software was life changing for me in a good way. That's what I want. Not them feeding us crap.

@pitrouillesque

The consumer economy depends on feeding idiots crap to keep them distracted.

I think it is dying a natural death.

It is the product of governments taking out too much in taxes, causing inflation that makes shareholders "greedy" in order to avoid losing value of money.

@pitrouillesque and, who cares it looks better ...